tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5458071334276688877.post8374159312743552361..comments2023-07-06T06:03:42.275+02:00Comments on Alex's phonetic thoughts: maɪ fənetɪks tɔːk ɒn vaʊlzAlex Rotatorihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15221253493502707131noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5458071334276688877.post-3495186173163969972012-05-03T09:21:38.222+02:002012-05-03T09:21:38.222+02:00Hi, Sonoko! Italians, too, as you probably know, m...Hi, Sonoko! Italians, too, as you probably know, mix up /iː/ and /ɪ/, and /ʊ/ and /uː/, although the latter pair has a much lower functional load in English. English vowels are a bit of a problem for everybody!Alex Rotatorihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15221253493502707131noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5458071334276688877.post-44220914956955783712012-05-03T04:10:43.644+02:002012-05-03T04:10:43.644+02:00Hi, Alex! So nice to know what and how you're ...Hi, Alex! So nice to know what and how you're teaching! Vowels are tricky and difficult for Japanese learners of English, too. My students mix up the vowels of "hat" and "hot" and "hut". They consider all of them as equivalent to Japanese /a/.Sonoko Kasaharanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5458071334276688877.post-44885985917132927052012-04-18T20:45:42.491+02:002012-04-18T20:45:42.491+02:00[ˈstjuːdn̩ts] → [ˈstʃuːdn̩ts] → [ˈʃtʃuːdn̩ts]
Thi...[ˈstjuːdn̩ts] → [ˈstʃuːdn̩ts] → [ˈʃtʃuːdn̩ts]<br /><br />This process is less common in AmE where "student" is usually [ˈstuːdn̩t]. <br /><br />CPD stands for "Cambridge Pronouncing Dictionary" and LPD for "Longman Pronunciation Dictionary".Alex Rotatorihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15221253493502707131noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5458071334276688877.post-68218968558224973712012-04-18T17:46:17.361+02:002012-04-18T17:46:17.361+02:00Alex, I haven't noticed this, but I don't ...Alex, I haven't noticed this, but I don't really listen with a phoneticist's ear. [Although I have noticed a lot of the news readers on the local NPR station talking about "infastructure."] Interesting. But I don't think your examples work. "when speakers assimilate /s/ to /ʃ/ before /tr/ and /tʃ/." In both "student" and "stupid," the /s/ precedes /t-vowel/, not /tʃ/.<br /><br />I'm embarrassed to say that I don't know what CPD and LPD are. I assume that "PD" stands for "Phonetic Dictionary."<br /><br />Sorry if I'm too high-maintenance.Mike Koplowhttp://edabsurdum.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5458071334276688877.post-4734937170080628792012-04-17T22:06:52.634+02:002012-04-17T22:06:52.634+02:00[fɒrəmɪnɪstə] is a possible pronunciation. If you ...[fɒrəmɪnɪstə] is a possible pronunciation. If you check the new edition of CPD, under the entry for "prime", you'll find the note <br /><br />" 'Prime Minister' is often pronounced with a single /m/" (p.393).<br /><br />The same note can be found in LPD.Alex Rotatorihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15221253493502707131noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5458071334276688877.post-60036805567423045382012-04-17T21:59:39.849+02:002012-04-17T21:59:39.849+02:00Mike, this pronunciation is not uncommon in the Uk...Mike, this pronunciation is not uncommon in the Uk and, as far as I know, is also becoming widespread in the US. This process is sometimes known as "s-affricate assimilation" and that's when speakers assimilate /s/ to /ʃ/ before /tr/ and /tʃ/. I often use this type of assimilation in "stupid", for example. <br />For more on this, see LPD, p.52.Alex Rotatorihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15221253493502707131noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5458071334276688877.post-59074081878699801432012-04-17T16:09:42.144+02:002012-04-17T16:09:42.144+02:00Oops. "Something I didn't notice this...&...Oops. "Something I didn't notice this..." A vestige of the drafting process.Mike Koplowhttp://www.edabsurdum.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5458071334276688877.post-21361636026232932512012-04-17T16:07:13.915+02:002012-04-17T16:07:13.915+02:00Hello Alex.
Friendly greetings from west of the p...Hello Alex.<br /><br />Friendly greetings from west of the pond. And thank you for pointing us toward Jack Windsor Lewis, whose work I hadn't seen before. Something I didn't notice this until Lewis quoted it: "fɒrəm mɪnɪstə". Certainly true that the "n" assimilates. But do we in fact pronounce two m's? Would "fɒrəmɪnɪstə" be more correct? This is a naive question, but that's appropriate, since I'm more or less clueless on IPA and even more cluelesser on the conventions of using it.<br /><br />Also, I believe there's an error in the final sentence of Lewis's post. "Strictly speaking" seems to be a misspelling of "Stric.ly speaking."Mike Koplowhttp://www.edabsurdum.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5458071334276688877.post-88098177257549765192012-04-17T15:47:36.650+02:002012-04-17T15:47:36.650+02:00"ʃtʃuːdn̩ts"?"ʃtʃuːdn̩ts"?Mike Koplowhttp://www.edabsurdum.blogspsot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5458071334276688877.post-29016936054468157912012-04-16T09:48:02.295+02:002012-04-16T09:48:02.295+02:00My readers might like to have a look at what Jack ...My readers might like to have a look at what Jack Windsor Lewis has to say about this post of mine here:<br /><br />http://www.yek.me.uk/Blog.html#blog394Alex Rotatorihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15221253493502707131noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5458071334276688877.post-35083761295120598702012-04-11T12:06:02.015+02:002012-04-11T12:06:02.015+02:00Thank you!
"I do hope your audience felt tho...Thank you! <br />"I do hope your audience felt thoroughly informed afterwards."<br />I hope so, too, Petr!Alex Rotatorihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15221253493502707131noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5458071334276688877.post-5615360553399606422012-04-11T10:51:58.123+02:002012-04-11T10:51:58.123+02:00Must have been an interesting lecture. I do hope y...Must have been an interesting lecture. I do hope your audience felt thoroughly informed afterwards.Krauthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11932831673529849848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5458071334276688877.post-23279318158017899292012-04-09T08:20:51.241+02:002012-04-09T08:20:51.241+02:00ˈθæŋk ju‖ ˈseɪm tə ˈjuː‖ˈθæŋk ju‖ ˈseɪm tə ˈjuː‖Alex Rotatorihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15221253493502707131noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5458071334276688877.post-40480654982097103452012-04-09T00:07:34.647+02:002012-04-09T00:07:34.647+02:00ˈhæpi ˈiːstər ˈælɪksˈhæpi ˈiːstər ˈælɪksJohn Maidmenthttp://blogjam.namenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5458071334276688877.post-9314601173227985802012-04-07T23:35:17.149+02:002012-04-07T23:35:17.149+02:00ju: hæv ən ɪntʃrɛstɪŋ sən̪d̪̤i ruːl ʍɛəbaɪ /nw/ ɪz...ju: hæv ən ɪntʃrɛstɪŋ sən̪d̪̤i ruːl ʍɛəbaɪ /nw/ ɪz əsɪmɪleɪtɪd tʊ /mw/ (fər igzɑmpl /dʒɒm welzɪz/).<br /> <br />aɪ doʊnt θɪŋk aɪv biːn əwɛər əv ðɪs pɒsɪbɪlɪti bɪfɔə.vphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16647609487352038948noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5458071334276688877.post-11782523696337122342012-04-07T20:08:13.930+02:002012-04-07T20:08:13.930+02:00Dopo averlo letto tutto mi sento realizzata.Dopo averlo letto tutto mi sento realizzata.Avstronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15988786896368341183noreply@blogger.com