tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5458071334276688877.post88883876994369066..comments2023-07-06T06:03:42.275+02:00Comments on Alex's phonetic thoughts: ɡɪmpsn̩z prənʌntsieɪʃən əv ɪŋɡlɪʃAlex Rotatorihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15221253493502707131noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5458071334276688877.post-46556781093670100812014-05-12T20:57:44.134+02:002014-05-12T20:57:44.134+02:00"But now I am talking about YOUR blog, if I h..."But now I am talking about YOUR blog, if I had something to say to mr Wells , I would post my complaints in HIS blog."<br /><br />Yes! Instead of complaining about my transcriptions, why don't you get a good phonetics book and read it? See, for example, "Practical Phonetics and Phonology" (2013; 3rd edition), Routledge, p. 17. Alex Rotatorihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15221253493502707131noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5458071334276688877.post-14928037043449350542014-05-12T19:31:38.048+02:002014-05-12T19:31:38.048+02:00But now I am talking about YOUR blog, if I had som...But now I am talking about YOUR blog, if I had something to say to mr Wells , I would post my complaints in HIS blog.<br /> Mr. Rotatori , are you capable of giving me an answer of your own? You neglected to give me an explanation, actually. <br /><br />"This is my blog and I do what I like. The transcription is fine."<br /><br />Also, your SNOOTY and ARROGANT attitude is very unprofessional.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09255338769564720038noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5458071334276688877.post-74273618834974131962014-05-12T09:15:47.694+02:002014-05-12T09:15:47.694+02:00Is this post by Professor John Wells also 'mis...Is this post by Professor John Wells also 'misleading'?<br /><br />http://phonetic-blog.blogspot.it/2012/05/kndr-n-lsk-rizzlyjp.html<br /><br />No, it isn't. <br /><br />This is my blog and I do what I like. The transcription is fine. Alex Rotatorihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15221253493502707131noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5458071334276688877.post-78703163039651091462014-05-12T01:01:26.060+02:002014-05-12T01:01:26.060+02:00The point I want to make is that your transcriptio...The point I want to make is that your transcriptions are neither phonemic nor phonetic (for some reasons stated above) so they turn out to be rather misleading...Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09255338769564720038noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5458071334276688877.post-79772653957826064052014-04-23T07:40:35.373+02:002014-04-23T07:40:35.373+02:00Jack Windsor Lewis writes:
"We see Alex has ...Jack Windsor Lewis writes:<br /><br />"We see Alex has had the nice idea of greeting the new 8th edition of Gimson on English Pronunciation by taking the publisher’s couple-of-hundred-words blurb and transcribing them in the book’s symbols for GB displaying his own personal pronunciations of the words eg in an item like prənʌntsieɪʃən. The most striking thing for me is to observe how in his idiolect he much more offen uses epenthetic consonants than I do. Both of the main pronunciation dictionaries show these variants these days. EPD uses, for example in Gimson, an italic [p] and LPD has a minute superscript [p]. Jones and Gimson didnt bother to show them in the EPD of their days.The other thing that catches my eye is his choice to be seen a few places to depart from purely phonemic transcription to display the fact that the occurrences of /t/ at certain words are realised by him as I suppose simply glottal articulations eg at the words“completely rewritten”."Alex Rotatorihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15221253493502707131noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5458071334276688877.post-10538732091297820492014-04-17T09:35:11.185+02:002014-04-17T09:35:11.185+02:00E chi l'ha detto che la trascrizione che offro...E chi l'ha detto che la trascrizione che offro sopra è completamente fonemica?Alex Rotatorihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15221253493502707131noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5458071334276688877.post-79846421488331272712014-04-17T00:56:32.825+02:002014-04-17T00:56:32.825+02:00Sig. Rotatori mi lasci dire pero' che trascriz...Sig. Rotatori mi lasci dire pero' che trascrizioni fonemiche del tipo /vaəlz/ e /sɪnts/ per e sono da considerarsi assolutamente Errate poiche' includono fenomeni (lo "smoothing" e l'epentetesi) che non vanno riportati in questo tipo di trascrizione,Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09255338769564720038noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5458071334276688877.post-23140284258550491692014-04-15T23:03:50.802+02:002014-04-15T23:03:50.802+02:00Andrea, nel post ho utilizzato i simboli che trovi...Andrea, nel post ho utilizzato i simboli che trovi nell'ultima edizione di "Gimson's". Altri testi possono usare altri simboli per indicare lo stesso suono. Per esempio, l'"Oxford Dictionary of Pronunciation" (2001) utilizza per il GB /ʌɪ/ al posto di /aɪ/, che trovi invece nel "Longman Pronunciation Dictionary" (2008) e nel "Cambridge English Pronouncing Dictionary" (2011). Stessa cosa vale per /ɛ/. <br /><br />Per quanto riguarda /vaəlz/ o /ˈvaʊəlz/, entrambe le pronunce sono possibili. La prima è caratterizzata da 'smoothing', cioè dalla perdita della seconda parte del dittongo /aʊ/. <br /><br />Infine, sia /sɪnts/ che /sɪns/ sono possibili. La pronuncia con /t/ si chiama epentetica: alcuni nativi inseriscono un'occlusiva omorganica dopo una nasale se quest'ultima è seguita da una fricativa all'interno della stessa sillaba. <br /><br />Maggiori info le trovi nel mio libro:<br /><br />http://www.edises.it/universitario/l-inglese-medico-scientifico-pronuncia-e-comprensione-all-ascolto.htmlAlex Rotatorihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15221253493502707131noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5458071334276688877.post-12533388680596000872014-04-15T17:09:23.892+02:002014-04-15T17:09:23.892+02:00ˈwɛbsʌɪt/ or /websaɪt/, tekst or /tɛkst/, /sɪnts/ ...ˈwɛbsʌɪt/ or /websaɪt/, tekst or /tɛkst/, /sɪnts/ or /sɪns/, /vaəlz/ or /ˈvaʊəlz/, /əkˈsɛsɪb(ə)l/ or /əksesəbl̩/ etc?<br /><br />I just like English and I'm still learning. I also like linguistics and phonetics and I often face those different pronunciation. Therefore, I'd like to know why you chose those ones instead of some others. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04191215735977093452noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5458071334276688877.post-59357764581280835272014-04-13T16:34:13.194+02:002014-04-13T16:34:13.194+02:00I recall one time that the Queen herself pronounce...I recall one time that the Queen herself pronounced "written" as [rɪʔn̩ ]. I don't remember when exactly. However, I do remember this post by John Wells where he says that <a href="http://www.phon.ucl.ac.uk/home/wells/blog0812b.htm" rel="nofollow">the Queen uses glottal stops</a>.<br /><br />I found ɪndəspentsəbl̩ an interesting one. I'd have said /ɪndɪspentsəbl̩/. This would be one of those cases like "accept" and "except" where GB/RP uses a weak vowel whereas northern accent use strong vowels.Edhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04081841460525341333noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5458071334276688877.post-64359831563173753102014-04-10T23:23:26.393+02:002014-04-10T23:23:26.393+02:00riːrɪʔn̩
I wouldn't have predicted that pron... riːrɪʔn̩ <br /><br />I wouldn't have predicted that pronunciation.vphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16647609487352038948noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5458071334276688877.post-22429887166160463232014-04-10T02:56:17.763+02:002014-04-10T02:56:17.763+02:00Out of all well-known texts dealing with phonetics...Out of all well-known texts dealing with phonetics and phonology of English this is probably one of the best and comprehensive as well as suitable. <br />Thanks for posting it.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09255338769564720038noreply@blogger.com